before a month before a presidential election something happens to change it ok and our viewers may know some of those events what do you think the possibility is that israel unilaterally could attack iran if netanyahu is called gone to the united nations and made his case i mean he thinks he's right and it's hard to imagine the. take in the coming weeks it's really almost impossible to imagine it even though you know. when you speak about surprise you speak about something which might be unexpected which must be unexpected but if we are really talking racially there's no chance that is it would be the do something right now as long as israel is perceived as a ration of the country you know mico it's i think that really hit the nail on the head here because in western media and we hear from a lot of israeli officials from the right wing is that the move those are irrational all of those all the leadership in iran is irrational that's why they

can't have the bomb eccentric cetera but i think it ends right i mean we get a lot of irrationality coming out of people like netanyahu. yes that's true at the same time i would say that israel needs the iran issue and the iran threat as a distraction it's used it for several years now as a smokescreen so that it can continue the brutal oppression the killing of the incarceration the torture of palestinians so that it can continue holding thousands of palestinian political prisoners so that it can destroy towns and villages so that it can keep people in gaza in this in this awful concentration camp and all the time all the while people talk about iran iran i think it's a bluff i think the whole iran thing is a bluff and a myth but. generally the israeli the state of israel knows how to use this very skillfully to its advantage so on the one hand nobody can talk about the palestinian issue because there's this great threat from iran on the other hand if

israel doesn't get what it wants then you better watch out because we're going to attack if we don't get what we want and so attacking would actually mean they'd have to give up this wonderful political card and i don't think they would want to do this this is this is a very successful strategy that's allowed israel to accomplish quite a lot ok given giving if i go back to you how does netanyahu back down ok obama has said no use the american intelligence community and said no how does netanyahu get it you know back down and say ok because he's really risking a lot here. yes he's risking a lot also in the. in the relationship between israel and the united states mainly for barack obama will be reelected then they matter now might face a real problem even though we don't know yet if obama in a second term will be any different than obama in the first but in any case there are many ways to get out of the tree or to continue the retore doing anything don't

forget also that domestically and yelled most probably last in l.a. for it take namely the minister of defense barak who in the recent days or weeks sound all of a sudden different and then a three hour is really quite isolated even though mystically so all of this together will have to bring some kind of getting down of the tree and pulling. this thing keeping it because they totally good reason because saying that this served this well this two years of certainly spreading fear has to continue into. fire until something will happen you know do you think netanyahu is just terrified of obama second it ministration because of the bad personal relationship they have had and let's face it netanyahu snubbed obama

a number of times and his administration i'm pretty sure the administration would like to see the end of mr netanyahu. yes i have but about i don't think that's on yahoo i don't think it matters to him i think he knows that anyone knows very well that here in america the price of doing business if you want a political career is kowtow ing to israel and bowing to the israeli lobby and that's the price of doing business so obviously you can tell that president obama doesn't like it. you know he even called he referred to an attorney i was comments as noise in the background which i think was very appropriate. but i think that b.b. knows very well that in american politics if you want to succeed you have to pay israel and you have to go on with this with this cult following and that's the reality and if you look today i was just looking at haaretz this morning they were saying bibi will only reference the palestinian issue in his in his comments in other words this is a massive diplomatic victory for him with everything that's going on the massive

building in the west bank the massive expulsion of people destruction of towns the ongoing ethnic cleansing that is that is a part and parcel of life and for palestinians and is a part and parcel or a major part of policy of israeli policy towards the palestinians this ethnic cleansing goes unchecked and nobody talks about it where the united nations and the the issue in every newscast in every newspaper is iran it's an issue that doesn't even exist so for even a ten you know this is a major victory and and whether or not you know president obama gets reelected it likes him or dislikes him to tell you how this is completely irrelevant he's using this card this political card of the threat of iran very skillfully and and i hope that president obama gets reelected and if and when he does i don't think it's going to make any difference i don't think he's going to want to get himself involved in this issue any more than he has already because he's got nothing to gain and and the relationship with israel i don't see it changing at all certainly

not in the next four was interesting getting you know we've done a number of programs lately on this topic and there seems that there are a number of elites of the united states are getting disillusioned with netanyahu and that the jewish community in the united states is not nearly as monolithic as maybe netanyahu believes it is. yeah this is. going to be in on this one ok go ahead ahead go. yeah this is totally true but one should keep propulsion i mean we were being told for few years now that the jewish communities changing the new liberal voices the j. street there are. finally basically the jewish community still a spot of food as it used to be as conservative and pro israeli and pro all right wing and pro patient as it used to be and those changes if they take place

they love us they take much more time and they don't happen within months or even few years until now until this very moment i don't see a major change in the american poli sci note before the elections not after the elections one can ask himself why did the united states put a veto last year on the very basic demand to recognize palestine as a state in the un how can the united states put itself in such an embarrassing position in which i agrees or knows the united states and israel against the whole world and still it happened by barack obama may be the most liberal american president ever and he did so so this change which we all look for and wait for and pray for this change didn't happen yet ok we can you explain to me and

maybe there is no explanation because most american jews are liberal and most of them support obama and those that vote will probably vote for obama but we still have this very concise consistent pollen defending israel and its policies on the ground there what you want to see the american jews are they just compartmentalize it i mean but they do say but that's a different topic it's a different subject because where they kept their values then. well i think i'd preface. the preface my answer by saying i really don't think the jewish community is monolithic. my book the general sun has been out. i've been touring the country and i booked a tour the country over the next few months and i would say at least half of the invitations that i get. i get from america is for jewish americans and these are jewish americans who have been who are very progressive who have been part of the progressive community and have a progressive agenda including progressive on the issue of israel and i think the

process that's taking place and i get on said it's a very slow process but i see it very quite clearly is disenchantment of the american jews with zionism they look at the state of israel more and more and they say well this is not what we stand for we stand for more progressive more liberal values and here we have a state that's got thousands of political prisoners a state that is actually day by day in gauging ethnic cleansing of the meanest kind a state that's holding thousands millions of people in under under a terrible siege in gaza children are starving deprived of water this is not the state that represents me and so there's a real shift within that i see among american jews from a very honest point of view and a pro israel point of view to a non zionist point of view and this non-scientist point of view i think is going to be where american jews are heading and i think that's eventually where it's

going to go and i think it's a very good thing i think it's a very positive sign so you're absolutely right there is this there is the sense that mainstream jewish communities if we can if we can call them that while they are progressive and do vote for president obama are quite are quite conservative and quite perhaps irrational when it comes to the issue of israel but i see more and more of a shift away from that and. you have to understand also that within within the mainstream jewish synagogues and the jewish communities there is a very very. considerable stronghold of apac and the zionist zionist education and very right wing zionist agenda that is being taught and being and that's you know people their children are being indoctrinated in sunday school that jewish schools here in america teach a very right wing very ok meir you can jump in here we'll quick gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion around and they.

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you. want to. welcome back to rostock you talk about your mind you were talking about israel's possible strike against iran. if you. started. getting if i go back to you what is the sentiment

on the ground in israel about netanyahu is rhetoric and iran's ok you people take him seriously because in your own newspaper there was a poll that found that fifty percent of israelis fear for the survival of their country should there be a conflict so what's it like on the ground. principle of this. should surprise us because after two three years of spreading fear systematically. this has its outcomes. what would you expect from a virgin israeli who keeps on hearing day and night denied the. holocaust series around the corner. existences stay. with the judge these notes less than more than. when you hear all this systematically the media usually corroborates was this the israeli media so what you get is a few fool. people

a fearful nation i think the. israelis. in their d.n.a. . exist and see their old they're very deep rooted part of the justified most of them totally manipulate the exaggerated and governments government of the government no to manipulate it and to use it to misuse it for their own interests ok let me go if i go back to you are a few days ago patrick clawson he's been a guest on this program he's a director of research at the pro israel think tank the washington institute for near east policy and he said publicly if the iranians aren't going to compromise it would be best if someone else started the war now maybe if netanyahu doesn't take this seriously and maybe it's just a cover as you point out and i tend to agree with you there are a lot of americans are take this very seriously does that worry you.

well i think it's worrisome one when people talk about war as though it was a game and and encourage people to go to war i think it's a very dangerous thing at the same time i would argue that that whether it's a pro zionist think tank whether it's a pac whether it's any of the other organizations that are kind of that are linked . to the state of israel i think they're all playing the same game i don't think. they they take this seriously in terms of thinking that there is really a threat i think they see this is a tremendous opportunity to blow it way out of proportion so that we continue talking about this as opposed to talking about the racism and the oppression and the brutal killing of palestinians by israel every single day and again like i said earlier if we look at the newscasts if we look at the news shows in the newspapers this is the subject that everybody talks about and again when when when somebody

like this comes out from a think tank and talks and hypes the conversation even more we're farther away from talking about once again the real issue which are israel's crimes against the palestinians so i think this is all part of the same charade i think it's all part of the same plan well you know it's i'm not sure if i should close with knows it's a game ok because we had him on the program here he's quite serious about the threat of iran ok and even he truly believes that they're going to be able to weaponize well a bomb very very soon gideon what do you think about this i mean is this just people being gullible or are they just on someone's payroll or is it a ideological i mean how do you explain your american colleagues you know your friends in america and when you look at how they think i mean you must be aghast. let's talk peter about that and you know you can raise the same questions for an attorney who himself doesn't really believe in what he say or does he many people

ate everything and here i must say i know much less obviously about american think tanks than this thing things but they are all inspired by what they hear from the tell you how and his environment and i can tell you that i truly believe this is. as a credit for the senate and yell i truly believe that the guy he's deeply convinced that iraq is presenting. danger to israel and seeing the tea truly believes that he's the messiah who would save the jewish people and the state of his from another holocaust i think this is quite deep rooted in his way of thinking and way of acting and ok to give you things even that is why saying this since one thousand nine hundred three i mean he's been saying this since ninety ninety three yeah they're going to get about i believe that.

yeah i believe that he believes in it it's not only that they're going to get the bomb but would they have been born it's the end of the state of israel and maybe even the jewish people i truly believe that he is really in his retore you don't know what comes before ward first was the conviction and then there were tory acts or first the tories and then the conviction but i am totally sure that the ease convince that it presents a real danger for israel and this i guess influences all of those. jewish mystic think tanks or any other parts of the jewish establishment in the united states you know mico you know we just recently did a program on other program on the arab spring and i've always thought during all these changes going on in the arab middle east that this would be an opportunity

for israel to make peace with the palestinians and then kind of step aside and watch how the arab middle east on folds because it's going to be it's messy it's going to get messier and you know what israel always be something that they can point to is what's wrong with their lives because israel exists but if the israelis were smart make peace with the palestinians and just stay off to the side that would be a possibility for them but no they want to attack another country in the region they look like what they are war mongers. well you know we have to look back at this issue of an existential threat and we have to look at the history the sixty five year of the sister of the state of israel if we look at the if we look at it you know we can see a pattern there is always a pattern of hyping an existential threat in order to justify it in order to justify a policy be it a war be it continuing the ethnic cleansing of palestine de arab izing of the you know the land of israel from arabs and palestinians destroying towns and villages

and so on this is not changed almost every prime minister every government the state of israel has ever had as hyped this issue of an existential threat you know in my book i talk about the one nine hundred sixty seven the minutes of the generals right before the war talking about the fact that there is no threat at all there's an opportunity and when we look at the details we always realize actually there was no threat on the other side i think this is true again today israel doesn't want peace because peace is not part of the zionist agenda it's not part of their strategic thinking their purpose is to cleanse the land of israel from arabs and from its arab culture and history and to create this this mythological connection between today's state of israel and king david's kingdom of israel this is the name of the game you know making peace of the palestinians never was and i fear it never will be part of any zionist government and so this is why they have to say this way and again if we look at the sixty five years span of the state of israel we can see this this is a pattern you know getting in you know extrapolating from what mico said then i

think maybe netanyahu does believe that iran is going to get a weapon very soon in israel must act because this israel has a history of fighting real or imagined threats all uses force and then figured out later. that's what's so dangerous about this look. first of all it is the injuries i truly believe that any i was brought up in a very suspicious of a sphere suspecting anyone in the world that this is a potential enemy to the state of israel suspecting any liberal any democrat any human rights activist any human being is an anti semitic and in this said. he this is for this reason he is. perceiving every seeing and the outcome is not surprising at all i totally

agree with the. tiny i was not any different basically from all the other israeli governments and it's very prime minister no the peace was palestinians was never a goal for israel unfortunately so because the end putting an end to occupation was never an interest of israel it never was a goal for israel and without putting an end to the patient there would be no peace with the palestinians so. found himself one way to break away from making peace with the palestinians but even without iran israeli prime ministers have demonstrated many creative ways not to do anything about peace with the palestinians and not to do anything about putting an end to the occupation once it was the terror or once it was that there is no palestinian people once it is come out as once it is filed widely so once it is mahmoud abbas the excuses where

all. these really you can trust these really prime ministers and politicians they will find many more excuses not to put an end to the patient with or without. where do we do we go from here i mean it looks pretty obvious that obama is going to be reelected least in my mind here do you see that because of all of the bad relations between the leaders of these two countries and we have to remember hillary clinton remember netanyahu when he was prime minister before i mean again i'm sure they would like to see the back side of him what do you think the relations will change because people say they're somewhat soured but we've heard this before. i don't think they're going to change dramatically you know i will say one thing just about this impending attack they're going to tell you how with all of his faults it's a shrewd politician and even he can see i think that there is no value to him at

all. excuse me in attacking iran there's no political value there's no military value there is no reason for him to actually attack iraq because the day after the attack what do we do with this thing yeah we've lost the threat we've lost the issue we've given it up and we're left with a problem now so i think that's i mean i was shooting no you know i didn't know he had to say you know which i mean unless the americans clean it or pay for it because that's what usually happens ok gentlemen over run out of time thank you very much i think so my guess would be a go and in television thanks to our viewers for watching us here at the phoenix time and remember. any.

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